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Aswamegha yagn[edit]

It is not sacrifice of horsh Pratik Buha (talk) 05:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Misleading article, about a practice with no mention of violence/sacrifical death anywhere in the actual practice manuals[edit]

Hello.

Writing because the article is full of non-indigenous references. The Ashvamegh (it's actually ashvamedh!) was indeed a sacrificial form of establishing territorial superiority, however, the disputing parties were supposed to capture the horses, not kill them.

"In the territory traversed by the horse, any rival could dispute the king's authority by challenging the warriors accompanying it. After one year, if no enemy had managed to kill or capture the horse, the animal would be guided back to the king's capital. It would be then sacrificed, and the king would be declared as an undisputed sovereign." The first line is correct. The second line, again, with references from Ramayan, Luv and Kush capture their father Ram's horse, not kill them. The last line is a plain lie with no references from anywhere. How is this allowed?

Medh can mean three different things and somehow writers of this article could arrive at a conclusion that this has violent connotation.

Ref - https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ZMQXBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT8&lpg=PT8&dq=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BE+%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%83+%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B+%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87+%E0%A4%9A&source=bl&ots=O4YKo8NS6A&sig=ACfU3U1m0BJRY-_rwHEp1Sn9wFZTUwtKLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwisxfne57DlAhUBuRoKHa0oCvgQ6AEwAHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%83%20%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%20%E0%A4%9A&f=false

This paints an extremely grotesque picture which isn't true at all. Nowhere did the kings sacrificed or killed their horses when they returned home. We have similar procedure called 'Pitrmedh' where 'pitr' is father and the process is observed for the father in the family who has passed away to meet his spirits. Another is called 'sarvmedh' where people from different social and educational qualifications were posted/established to perform their jobs in different areas of the cities. 'Sarv' means all, which should by this context mean sacrifice of all?

Please, let me edit with proper sources as this is against Wikipedia's own rules to have false information, that too without citing any source. Ashkumar2665 (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Please see the Manual of Style for the lead sections. The statements in the lead do not appear to violate Wikipedia's rules, as citations for those sections are not required. The statements in the lead do need to conform to the sites policies on verifiability, but they are generally considered to summarize the statements in the body of the article that have inline citations. In the case of these statements, the objected-to sentence is a summary of three paragraphs in the body that are cited to four separate reliable sources. This complies with Wikipedia's core content policies. If you still feel the need to change this, you are welcome to open a discussion on this talk page and seek a consensus among your fellow editors to change the text. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect Correction[edit]

This "correction" (Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2019) was not correct. Without the final Vedic accent, asvamedha is a name (of a person mentioned in the RV). The final accent is necessary to identify the asvamedha ritual (because the meaning of the word 'medha' changes as a consequence of the accent.) Please consult, e.g., the Monier-Williams dictionary (the print edition, not the online version, which does not show accents) for verification. rudra (talk) 23:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Misleading article at a major level[edit]

There has been so many wrong misleading information about Ashvamedha being sacrifice. It is not said that horse is sacrificed in veda, upanishad and purana.

Therefore, Please change

"The Ashvamedha (Sanskrit: अश्वमेध aśvamedha) is a horse sacrifice ritual followed by the Śrauta tradition of Vedic religion. It was used by ancient Indian kings to prove their imperial sovereignty: a horse accompanied by the king's warriors would be released to wander for a period of one year. In the territory traversed by the horse, any rival could dispute the king's authority by challenging the warriors accompanying it. After one year, if no enemy had managed to kill or capture the horse, the animal would be guided back to the king's capital. It would be then sacrificed, and the king would be declared as an undisputed sovereign.

The best-known text describing the sacrifice is the Ashvamedhika Parva (Sanskrit: अश्वमेध पर्व), or the "Book of Horse Sacrifice," the fourteenth of eighteen books of the Indian epic poem Mahabharata. Krishna and Vyasa advise King Yudhishthira to perform the sacrifice, which is described at great length. The book traditionally comprises 2 sections and 96 chapters.[1][2] The critical edition has one sub-book and 92 chapters.[3][4]

The ritual is recorded as being held by many ancient rulers, but apparently only by two in the last thousand years. The most recent ritual was in 1741, the second one held by Maharajah Jai Singh II of Jaipur. The original Vedic religion had evidently included many animal sacrifices, as had the various folk religions of India. Brahminical Hinduism had evolved opposing animal sacrifices, which have not been the norm in most forms of Hinduism for many centuries. The great prestige and political role of the Ashvamedha perhaps kept it alive for longer."

to

"Ashvamedha (Sanskrit: अश्वमेध aśvamedha) comprises of two words-: Ashva and Medha. Ashva means Horse and Medha means purification ceromony. On joining, it means that purification ceremony done with horse to git rid of major sins like killing Brahmins.

Only a victorious(Chakravarti) king can perform Ashvamedha yagna. A white stallion horse is worshiped by king on Vaishakh Purnima and then the horse should be let to roam wherever it wants for minimum period of 1 year and maximum period of 100 years. The horse must have more than age of 24 years and less than age of 100 years. After letting it wander, the soldiers should follow that horse wherever it goes. The wandering horse must be attained by one hundred number of young & skilled warriors including crown prince or son of King with officers of high court charged with guarding horses who can fight & overcome from all dangers & uncertainty. King has to live a celibate life till the horse returns back to the same place from where it had been let loose and has to donate money, wealth, gold, silver, copper, cows to 20,000 Brahmins & needy people every year.

After dwapra yuga, the changes to Ashvamedha yagna was made and the sacrifice was included in the Ashvamedha yagna. After that, King sacrificed their horse after capturing them to complete the ceremony." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himanshu 1323 (talkcontribs) 14:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Not done. Please provide reliable sources that support this change. Moreover, you're proposing to change the lead of the article, which is merely a summary of the rest. So any change like this would have to be accompanied by a pretty thorough rewrite. This would need to done carefully, as it appears that quite a bit here is already well-sourced. It will also require better competency in English and a consensus for the changes. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)